Politica e cronaca estera
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Re: Politica e cronaca estera
Beh, molte sono situazioni geopolitiche che gli americani hanno contribuito a creare. Se si fossero fatti veramente i cazzi loro, invece di appoggiare truculenti moti rivoluzionari capeggiati da tagliagole psicolabili e macellai radicalizzati, probabilmente ne avrebbero giovato un po' tutti. Come in Siria.
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gli stati uniti hanno strategie che prescindono dal presidente in carica in quel determinato momento. potra' cambiare la tattica ma la strategia rimarra' quella. hanno deciso di occuparsi meno del medioriente e cosi' faranno, lo abbiamo visto gia' con la libia purtroppo dove hanno lasciato fare a francesi e inglesi. gli americano saranno ancora i poliziotti del mondo, non credo proprio vogliano abdicare, solo che hanno cose piu' importanti (per loro) di cui preoccuparsi.principe68 ha scritto: ↑mercoledì 16 ottobre 2019, 15:27l'unica soluzione che vedo sarebbe che Trump o venisse spodestato o si facesse forzare a tornare con un contingente in loco, convincendo il Sultano a fare pippa per la stabilità del blocco NATO
e tutti in equilibrio come prima
evidentemente una cosa che si può imparare da questa zona è che americani e russi che si fanno i cazzi degli altri sono in realtà funzionali al mantenimento dei rapporti tra le parti
da oggi chi parla degli americani "che devono farsi i cazzi loro e non essere i poliziotti del pianeta Terra" ha una risposta in più su cosa accade se gli americani si fanno davvero i cazzi loro all'improvviso
la russia dal canto suo rimarra' li sia perche' la siria e' un alleato geograficamente importate sia perche' cosi puo' prendere il posto degli usa nelle negoziazioni e aumentare la reputazione di potenza
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io sono pronto a scommettere che se gli USA non avessero fatto i poliziotti del mondo
ci sarebbero stati ancora più morti
dire che gli Occidentali (o i russi) dovevano farsi i cazzi loro significa sopravvalutare l'umanità che vive in certe aree geografiche e la loro propensione alla pace
ci sarebbero stati ancora più morti
dire che gli Occidentali (o i russi) dovevano farsi i cazzi loro significa sopravvalutare l'umanità che vive in certe aree geografiche e la loro propensione alla pace
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Re: Cengiz Ünder
Voi giudicate gli uomini per le idee politiche che posseggono, nonostante alla fine dei giochi mi sembrano simili simili a quelle che professate voi. Dalla religione, al conservatovismo, passando per il nazionalismo miope; non vedo come Erdogan e siamocosì siano così diversi. Se invece dei curdi ci fossero dei poveri africani dilaniati dalle guerre gli si suggerirebbe di tornarsene a casa loro (quale?), quella massacrata da anni di imperialismi francesi, italiani, inglesi, turchi, russi, iraniani, tedeschi etc etc. Perché alla fine il credo è affine, lavarsene le mani con un occhio al fatturato e un altro al vangelo misinterpretato
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Vero, ma questo è benaltrismo...Giazz ha scritto: Se invece dei curdi ci fossero dei poveri africani dilaniati dalle guerre gli si suggerirebbe di tornarsene a casa loro
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e no, manco per niente
io non me ne lavo le mani... ma cerco di vedere le cose per quelle che realmente sono
senza fare il narratore dei film della Disney che umanizzano topi e paperi
da quando è iniziata 'sta offensiva turca tutti si sentono in diritto di schierarsi, di dire la propria, di "umanizzare" all'occidentale gente che non è come nessuno di noi, che già siamo diversi figuriamoci i curdi
e questo non mi va bene né con i siriani né con i poveri africani dilaniati dal colonialismo cattivo, il capitalismo crudele che ci fa rubare il coltan per i nostri smartphone mentre i bambini scavano nelle miniere che gli cadono addosso etc. etc. etc. etc.
peraltro a proposito dei curdi (verso cui non ho nessun pensiero o sentimento positivo o negativo), leggevo che prima della Prima Guerra Mondiale, nei primi del Novecento, una parte cospicua di essi aiutarono proprio i turchi sia nel massacro dei turchi cristiani sia nel genoicidio degli armeni
sono posti, aree del mondo, piene di contraddizioni storiche e culturali
e sicuramente non me la prendo con un giocatore turco ventenne che ha famiglia in Turchia e che è stato indottrinando aspettandomi che faccia l'Oscar Schindler della Turchia
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It's been too long since I felt this way
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The road is callin', today is the day
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Re: Cengiz Ünder
Segui un forum di politica prinz?principe68 ha scritto: ↑mercoledì 16 ottobre 2019, 17:54
peraltro a proposito dei curdi (verso cui non ho nessun pensiero o sentimento positivo o negativo), leggevo che prima della Prima Guerra Mondiale, nei primi del Novecento, una parte cospicua di essi aiutarono proprio i turchi sia nel massacro dei turchi cristiani sia nel genoicidio degli armeni
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Per quanto concerne i curdi, non si capisce quali responsabilità abbiano gli abitanti del Rojava di oggi nei fatti di inizio 900. Chi si sognerebbe di biasimare i tedeschi di oggi per l'olocausto? Trovo curioso che ci si preoccupi di un calciatore ventenne, solo perché giocatore di una squadra di calcio, piuttosto che di un popolo sottoposto ad un'aggressione firmata Erdogan, Isis e Al Nusra.
Come già scritto, nella storia personale di ognuno evitate di entrare se non avete nessuna idea del coinvolgimento, delle motivazioni e del grado di conoscenza che si hanno di alcune situazioni. Ribadisco, l'assurdo è che non si può giudicare un gesto pubblico in nome dell'islamofascismo con la maglia della Roma e voi potete sparare sentenze senza alcun fondamento a cazzo de cane (io sono il primo a rilevare alcune incongruenze di siamocosì, ma definirlo non tanto dissimile da uno come Erdogan ce ne vuole eh... regolatevi oh).
Come già scritto, nella storia personale di ognuno evitate di entrare se non avete nessuna idea del coinvolgimento, delle motivazioni e del grado di conoscenza che si hanno di alcune situazioni. Ribadisco, l'assurdo è che non si può giudicare un gesto pubblico in nome dell'islamofascismo con la maglia della Roma e voi potete sparare sentenze senza alcun fondamento a cazzo de cane (io sono il primo a rilevare alcune incongruenze di siamocosì, ma definirlo non tanto dissimile da uno come Erdogan ce ne vuole eh... regolatevi oh).
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Re: Politica e cronaca estera
Overview
Sere Kaniye is mostly controlled by the SDF, and Tel Abyad by Turkish backed forces. Pockets of fighting remain in both cities and surrounding villages continue to trade hands. Turkish backed forces attempted an invasion of Kobane from Jarablus in the west, which was repelled by the SDF. The Syrian Army and Coalition forces jostled for position around Kobane. The situation in Tel Tamer is critical, with shelling and ground clashes in villages surrounding the city causing the hospital to temporarily close, and residents and IDPs to flee onwards to Hasakah. We have also received further information that the agreement between the Autonomous Administration – Damascus agreement is not a written agreement, but currently is an agreement to cooperate militarily.
Our team on the ground
Our team on the ground is moving between Hasakah, Tel Tamer and the surroundings of Sere Kaniye. They have confirmed drone surveillance over Tel Tamer, and artillery attacks and clashes in nearby villages, which has caused many IDPs and residents to flee. Although many have left, the city remains crowded with IDPs, leading to bread shortages. In the absence of NGOs, local response networks are coordinating the distribution of bread from bakeries in nearby villages. Although there isn't Syrian Army presence within Tel Tamer, the Syrian Army has set up a checkpoint one kilometer outside of the city.
Humanitarian Crisis
There are reports of Turkish proxy forces looting and assaulting civilians in border villages. Reports also indicate that groups within the Turkish proxy forces include Ahrar Al-Sharqiya, Mohammad Al-Fateh, Hamza Division affiliates, Syrian Front, and Sultan Murad Division. The front line is advancing towards the city of Tel Tamer, which has been the primary point for humanitarian support of the displaced and wounded fleeing from Sere Kaniye and Tel Helef. Many residents and displaced people are fleeing onwards to Hasakah. The Tel Tamer hospital had to close for several hours due to increased threat of artillery and air strikes. Many patients are being sent on to Hasakah. Kurdish Red Crescent continues to report deliberate targetting of their ambulances with artillery attacks. UNICEF has calculated at least 70,000 children as being among the displaced. As virtually all international NGOs have pulled out of the region - with some stripped-back UN and ICRC presence in some of the refugee camps - the situation both inside and outside of the camps is deteriorating. Our team on the ground reports that ICRC, Doctors Without Borders and Mercy Corps have all left Tel Tamer.
ISIS Resurgence
There have been ongoing uprisings in Ain Issa camp, with fires being set by ISIS-linked residents spreading out of control. There are several reports of Internal Security Forces losing control of the situation in the camp and ISIS-linked families escaping, many heading towards Turkish-controlled areas, but we have not been able to verify. There were breakouts of ISIS-linked familes from Al Hol camp, though they were later recaptured. An ISIS sleeper cell was arrested in Qamishlo.
Sere Kaniye and Tel Helef
Since morning there were heavy clashes between Turkish proxy forces and the SDF in Sere Kaniye, accompanied by artillery bombardement from Turkey. According to our team on the ground the information that Tel Helef - a strategic village west of Sere Kaniye - has been regained by the SDF is not true, it is still held by Turkish proxy forces. The ongoing air strikes on the city during the day have led to severe destruction of the city. The northern outskirts on the city on the Syria - Turkey border are held by Turkish proxy forces. In the night Turkish proxy forces attacked from north, west and east, supported by Turkish air strikes. Turkish forces are still fighting to consolidate control of the area to the south of the city so they can attack from all sides. The positions held by the either side didn't change. SDF is still in control of most of the city.
Tel Tamer
In the late evening Turkish proxy forces attacked villages north of Tel Tamer. Our team on the ground informed us about the situation in Tel Tamer: "Villages to the north of Tel Tamer towards Sere Kaniye and to the west towards Ayn Issa along the M4 road remain in Turkish control. Some villages have been won back." The SDF and SAA have launched a counterattack on areas around the M4 west of Tel Tamir, the villages Arbain and Al-Amiriyah are confirmed to be retaken by the SDF. According to our team on the ground the villages Manajir, Lylan and Til Etash are in the hands of Turkish proxy forces. They also reported Russian aircraft flying over the region, and shelling of the city by Turkish proxies. The situation in the city is critical. Since the hospital in Sere Kaniye is unable to operate, Tel Tamer hospital is the last hospital in the region that has able to receive the influx of wounded from Sere Kaniye and surrounding villages. Our team on the ground reports: "IDPs have been fleeing Tel Tamer today, where there have been drones overhead and clashes in nearby villages. All international NGOs have left the city, including ICRC Doctors without Borders and Mercy Corps. The city oven couldn't feed the refugee influx, so village ovens are being used to distribute bread to the schools, where refugees are taking shelter." We spoke to the Kurdish Red Crescent, who informed us that in the night the hospital in Tel Tamer has been out of service for several hours until midnight due to the high risk to the hospital.
Other cities
Tel Abyad: It is difficult to get information about the situation in Tel Abyad. We spoke to a source who told us that the city is mostly in the hands of Turkish proxy forces, but that there are still some pockets of resistance of the SDF within the city. There were ongoing battles in the night between Turkish proxy forces and SDF, with Turkish aircraft striking the city.
Kobane: In the early morning the villages Sikeft, Siftik, Xurxire and Bubane west of Kobane city were shelled by Turkey. The SDF repelled an attempt by Turkish proxy forces to invade from Jarablus. In the evening Turkey shelled the villages Zor Maghar and Sheiyuk Tahtani on the Euphrates river west of Kobane. A local source has told us that American aircraft departed from Khirab Ishk military base in the southeast of Kobane region in Jalabiya district in the early hours of the morning of the 15th. Later in the day, when the Syrian Army tried to enter Kobane, American forces refused to allow them to cross. Since then, there have been more coalition withdrawals from its military base in Jalabiya district. It's unclear if the Syrian Army made another attempt to enter Kobane district in the evening. According to the latest information from our sources, the Syrian army had not yet entered Kobane as of early morning 16 October.
Manbij: In the morning there were reports of two civilians killed and 13 injured in the attacks on villages in the north-west of Manbij. Over the day the coalition forces continued to withdraw from their positions in Manbij. Russia started to deploy troops in Manbij as Coalition forces withdrew. According to a local source in Manbij the Syrian Army also took positions around the city in the villages Al-Farat, Ar-Rabhasan, Omglod, Al-Sagor.
Our latest numbers on casualties are from the hospital in Tel Tamer. According to them there were 300 wounded and 78 dead civilians. According to UNICEF 70.000 children have been displaced, at least 4 were killed and 9 have been wounded.
Sere Kaniye is mostly controlled by the SDF, and Tel Abyad by Turkish backed forces. Pockets of fighting remain in both cities and surrounding villages continue to trade hands. Turkish backed forces attempted an invasion of Kobane from Jarablus in the west, which was repelled by the SDF. The Syrian Army and Coalition forces jostled for position around Kobane. The situation in Tel Tamer is critical, with shelling and ground clashes in villages surrounding the city causing the hospital to temporarily close, and residents and IDPs to flee onwards to Hasakah. We have also received further information that the agreement between the Autonomous Administration – Damascus agreement is not a written agreement, but currently is an agreement to cooperate militarily.
Our team on the ground
Our team on the ground is moving between Hasakah, Tel Tamer and the surroundings of Sere Kaniye. They have confirmed drone surveillance over Tel Tamer, and artillery attacks and clashes in nearby villages, which has caused many IDPs and residents to flee. Although many have left, the city remains crowded with IDPs, leading to bread shortages. In the absence of NGOs, local response networks are coordinating the distribution of bread from bakeries in nearby villages. Although there isn't Syrian Army presence within Tel Tamer, the Syrian Army has set up a checkpoint one kilometer outside of the city.
Humanitarian Crisis
There are reports of Turkish proxy forces looting and assaulting civilians in border villages. Reports also indicate that groups within the Turkish proxy forces include Ahrar Al-Sharqiya, Mohammad Al-Fateh, Hamza Division affiliates, Syrian Front, and Sultan Murad Division. The front line is advancing towards the city of Tel Tamer, which has been the primary point for humanitarian support of the displaced and wounded fleeing from Sere Kaniye and Tel Helef. Many residents and displaced people are fleeing onwards to Hasakah. The Tel Tamer hospital had to close for several hours due to increased threat of artillery and air strikes. Many patients are being sent on to Hasakah. Kurdish Red Crescent continues to report deliberate targetting of their ambulances with artillery attacks. UNICEF has calculated at least 70,000 children as being among the displaced. As virtually all international NGOs have pulled out of the region - with some stripped-back UN and ICRC presence in some of the refugee camps - the situation both inside and outside of the camps is deteriorating. Our team on the ground reports that ICRC, Doctors Without Borders and Mercy Corps have all left Tel Tamer.
ISIS Resurgence
There have been ongoing uprisings in Ain Issa camp, with fires being set by ISIS-linked residents spreading out of control. There are several reports of Internal Security Forces losing control of the situation in the camp and ISIS-linked families escaping, many heading towards Turkish-controlled areas, but we have not been able to verify. There were breakouts of ISIS-linked familes from Al Hol camp, though they were later recaptured. An ISIS sleeper cell was arrested in Qamishlo.
Sere Kaniye and Tel Helef
Since morning there were heavy clashes between Turkish proxy forces and the SDF in Sere Kaniye, accompanied by artillery bombardement from Turkey. According to our team on the ground the information that Tel Helef - a strategic village west of Sere Kaniye - has been regained by the SDF is not true, it is still held by Turkish proxy forces. The ongoing air strikes on the city during the day have led to severe destruction of the city. The northern outskirts on the city on the Syria - Turkey border are held by Turkish proxy forces. In the night Turkish proxy forces attacked from north, west and east, supported by Turkish air strikes. Turkish forces are still fighting to consolidate control of the area to the south of the city so they can attack from all sides. The positions held by the either side didn't change. SDF is still in control of most of the city.
Tel Tamer
In the late evening Turkish proxy forces attacked villages north of Tel Tamer. Our team on the ground informed us about the situation in Tel Tamer: "Villages to the north of Tel Tamer towards Sere Kaniye and to the west towards Ayn Issa along the M4 road remain in Turkish control. Some villages have been won back." The SDF and SAA have launched a counterattack on areas around the M4 west of Tel Tamir, the villages Arbain and Al-Amiriyah are confirmed to be retaken by the SDF. According to our team on the ground the villages Manajir, Lylan and Til Etash are in the hands of Turkish proxy forces. They also reported Russian aircraft flying over the region, and shelling of the city by Turkish proxies. The situation in the city is critical. Since the hospital in Sere Kaniye is unable to operate, Tel Tamer hospital is the last hospital in the region that has able to receive the influx of wounded from Sere Kaniye and surrounding villages. Our team on the ground reports: "IDPs have been fleeing Tel Tamer today, where there have been drones overhead and clashes in nearby villages. All international NGOs have left the city, including ICRC Doctors without Borders and Mercy Corps. The city oven couldn't feed the refugee influx, so village ovens are being used to distribute bread to the schools, where refugees are taking shelter." We spoke to the Kurdish Red Crescent, who informed us that in the night the hospital in Tel Tamer has been out of service for several hours until midnight due to the high risk to the hospital.
Other cities
Tel Abyad: It is difficult to get information about the situation in Tel Abyad. We spoke to a source who told us that the city is mostly in the hands of Turkish proxy forces, but that there are still some pockets of resistance of the SDF within the city. There were ongoing battles in the night between Turkish proxy forces and SDF, with Turkish aircraft striking the city.
Kobane: In the early morning the villages Sikeft, Siftik, Xurxire and Bubane west of Kobane city were shelled by Turkey. The SDF repelled an attempt by Turkish proxy forces to invade from Jarablus. In the evening Turkey shelled the villages Zor Maghar and Sheiyuk Tahtani on the Euphrates river west of Kobane. A local source has told us that American aircraft departed from Khirab Ishk military base in the southeast of Kobane region in Jalabiya district in the early hours of the morning of the 15th. Later in the day, when the Syrian Army tried to enter Kobane, American forces refused to allow them to cross. Since then, there have been more coalition withdrawals from its military base in Jalabiya district. It's unclear if the Syrian Army made another attempt to enter Kobane district in the evening. According to the latest information from our sources, the Syrian army had not yet entered Kobane as of early morning 16 October.
Manbij: In the morning there were reports of two civilians killed and 13 injured in the attacks on villages in the north-west of Manbij. Over the day the coalition forces continued to withdraw from their positions in Manbij. Russia started to deploy troops in Manbij as Coalition forces withdrew. According to a local source in Manbij the Syrian Army also took positions around the city in the villages Al-Farat, Ar-Rabhasan, Omglod, Al-Sagor.
Our latest numbers on casualties are from the hospital in Tel Tamer. According to them there were 300 wounded and 78 dead civilians. According to UNICEF 70.000 children have been displaced, at least 4 were killed and 9 have been wounded.
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Re: Cengiz Ünder
Magari sono stati utilizzati come esecutori materiali, ma qui parliamo di curdi siriani nel 2019. Per me c'entrano poco e niente col genocidio armeno.
Comunque la responsabilità morale rimane dei turchi
Comunque la responsabilità morale rimane dei turchi
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infatti non c'entrano una sega.
Comunque, se si vuole parlare del genocidio armeno non si faccia nel topic di Under.
Qui si parla del giocatore, infatti tornerei a focalizzarmi sul fatto che non gioca.
Quando torna disponibile? Si palesasse Biaphora e ce lo dicesse.
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io non biasimo nessuno, nel caso cerco di capireil_noumeno ha scritto: ↑mercoledì 16 ottobre 2019, 18:13Chi si sognerebbe di biasimare i tedeschi di oggi per l'olocausto?
e invece io trovo curioso schierarsi sempre contro il Presidente autoritario di turno che in determinati paesi è a dir poco funzionale (forse fondamentale) per gli equilibri di un'intera area geograficail_noumeno ha scritto: ↑mercoledì 16 ottobre 2019, 18:13Trovo curioso che ci si preoccupi di un calciatore ventenne, solo perché giocatore di una squadra di calcio, piuttosto che di un popolo sottoposto ad un'aggressione firmata Erdogan, Isis e Al Nusra.
a quanto ho capito tu sei uno di quelli che vorrebbe fuori dai giochi i Putin, i Saddam Hussein, i Gheddafi e gli Assad per valori liberali che hai e che hanno a che vedere con il tuo mondo
che non è lo stesso mondo di russi, iracheni, libici e siriani
perché checché ne diciate, noi siamo tutti diversi e non è scritto da nessuna parte che non debba esistere una Corea Del Nord o un Turkmenistan o un'Arabia Saudita o che certi popoli debbano avere i nostri diritti umani
i diritti umani non sono e non saranno mai qualcosa di oggettivo e assoluto e riguardanti tutti
Don't look back (ooh, a new day is breakin')
It's been too long since I felt this way
I don't mind (ooh, where I get taken)
The road is callin', today is the day
It's been too long since I felt this way
I don't mind (ooh, where I get taken)
The road is callin', today is the day
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Re: Cengiz Ünder
forse ti confondi con altri tipi di diritti ?principe68 ha scritto: ↑mercoledì 16 ottobre 2019, 18:54i diritti umani non sono e non saranno mai qualcosa di oggettivo e assoluto e riguardanti tutti
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